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A community member recently asked the question of whether narcissistic men, also referred to as a “NARC”, are capable of changing their colors, and the responses from our resident first wives family provided a unified voice on the matter (see below).  Clearly it’s a topic that has affected many of us, but for those of you that may not be familiar with the term narcissism, or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it refers to a generalized personality trait characterized by egotism, pride, vanity or selfishness.

Narcissism has been identified as a mental illness, the signs of which include an obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges, problems sustaining satisfying relationships, difficulty with empathy, hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults, detesting those that do not admire them, bragging, the inability to view the world from the perspective of other people, and many others.  For those of you who feel you may be married to a narcissist, or are divorcing one, we have highlighted and organized the responses from our community, which included a number of suggested books on the matter, all of which we’ve listed below.

Suggested books from the community on Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Responses from the Community:

  • Narcissists cannot see beyond themselves; it is literally all about them and it is a behavior that is instilled or adopted early on. If anything, I think it gets worse as time passes. What you have to remember is that narcissists lack the one thing that is needed for them to change: empathy. They cannot understand why other people feel hurt or unloved or devalued because they don't know how to feel those things themselves, they learned how to switch those emotions off in childhood.

  • No, No, I repeat No. They cannot change. We, of the feminine gender, the gender that hopes, feels, cares, nurtures, we would like to believe they can, but they cannot. The sooner we accept that reality, the sooner we can move on with our lives.

  • Mine only seems to be changing for the worst. Becoming more and more selfish, and only wanting what works best for him, without consideration to how the children feel about it. Do they learn to care about someone other than themselves? I don't think so.

  • I can only say for my father that he has yet to change anything. It's a shocking thing to watch from the perspective of a child.

  • Most narcissists lack empathy and compassion for others, they learn to fake emotion so they can manipulate their targets. Of course it all boils down to they have something they want and they are willing to go to any length or hurt anyone to obtain it, which means people in their lives are disposable, they are valuable only as long as they provide some type of fulfillment for the person, once that item can be replaced with either someone else or something else than they no longer need that person and they will be discarded, usually under a guise of some sort that still makes them look like a good person. And I learned that I will become a target for other narcissistic men because I have already been trained by one, unless I learn to see things differently. I've watch a man's life for a long time before I would even consider a date. After all how many of us were fooled by men that appeared to be "a good man"? Background checks ladies, I swear by them.

  • No they do not, no matter how much you love them, go to therapy with them, they are who they are. It is a serious disorder. Therapy does not work, it just supplies the person with more insight in how to get what they want (notice I didn't choose the word need).

  • They NEVER change. Change is hard and requires a strong will to get to where you want to be and a VERY clear understanding of where they're at. They can't see where they are. They will say ANYTHING to get what they want.  Change requires an HONEST desire to do so and a hell of a lot of willpower. They are exactly where they want to be, until it all backfires on them, then it's the world's fault of course.

  • Being with a narcissist is like waking up every morning and drinking Drano instead of coffee.

  • No, they do not change. I was married to my narcissistic husband for 24 years. He has a frightening ability to explain everything that he does in a way that makes it seem perfectly rational; an ability that sucked me in for so long. No more. I have to accept that he is a manipulative liar and stop being surprised that so many people, both friends and family, believe him. I have to protect my children and myself. If you are feeling crazy, it's because he is controlling your worldview. You aren't crazy. You won't change him. Take care of yourself and your children.

  • Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a mental disorder. It's not a joke. When I started therapy with a new therapist this time last year (I was still in my marriage) I explained my husband to her. She listened and listened and then finally said to me, "Your husband has NPD. People with NPD do not change. Their brains have been wired through childhood injury or being raised by a Narcissist to behave like this. They have no insight, see none of their faults, lie and only see what they wish to see. You are an object. It's just what they created in order to survive when they were young.

  • No, they cannot CHANGE. They cannot step back and see what they do to everyone around them and secondly they believe they can do no wrong. It is always some one else who is doing something wrong. RUN! and take your children with you. There is nothing you can do-- It is a serious personality disorder.

  • Narcissists are like vampires. They suck the soul right out of you. They will not change because they have no empathy. Please look at the fact that you may be co-dependent also. Check out melaniatoniaevans.

  • NO ...the do not change. For change to occur, you must realize you have a problem first and foremost. Second you must want to change. They do neither. Many therapists will not work with them precisely for this reason...they do not think they have any problem to fix! If they do end up in therapy, it is typically because someone has demanded they go...they see it as an opportunity to highlight the other person's flaws and get them fixed and it becomes a game in manipulating the therapist. After all, they are blameless and it is "my way or the highway" thinking. You cannot "make him see" anything!

  • Narcissism is a personality disorder, personality disorders are extremely difficult to change, they don't see a problem with the way they treat people. What you can do is find ways to cope with him and have as minimal contact as possible. Building yourself up physically, mentally and spiritually is the best way to ignore his rants. And finding humor somehow in his behavior. It will lighten your load of stress and frustration with him. It is not your job to make him see what an ass he is, you will never be able to cure him or help him see the light. Especially you, it's usually a major traumatic event that could help snap them out of it and sometimes that doesn't work they just take on the victim mentality. Give up on changing him now it's wasted effort, put that energy into doing something good for yourself.

  • As someone who has both a narcissistic mother and a narcissistic ex, neither of whom has ever been wrong a day in their lives, I can say they really don't. All you can do is try to ignore him and limit contact as much as possible (I know in some cases that just is not possible). He won't wake up one day and say "wow, what a jerk I am". Because a narcissist has no idea that their behavior is a problem. My 15 year old also has limited contact with her dad. She just cannot tolerate being around him more than 2 hours a month. Fortunately, he has not pushed the issue. Why would he, it just frees up his time to do what he wants. Hang in there, the kids will grow up, you will someday be able to lessen contact.

  • No they will change or even take any ownership of their actions. They have no empathy and never consider the impact of their behavior on someone else, including the kids...The only thing worse than being married to a narcissist sociopath is divorcing one, which I am in the process now...and they can legally get away with things, bully you through the lawyers, etc. And I agree with the other posts...that they do cheat, cheat you out of a life with a true partner, because we, as wives, mothers always do have hope and works so hard to keep our relationships/family together especially for the kids.

  • Asking if he's ever going to stop being a narcissist is like hoping he'll grow a 2nd head on his shoulders. It could happen in a movie . . . it's never going to happen in real life. I don't think it's humanly possible for these people to stop being narcissists. Therapy is pointless because he'll lie to the therapist and then the therapist will unwititngly reinforce the falsehoods he tells himself and his obsession with himself. Because therapy is all about him being the center of attention. The day he started moving out, it was like the sun broke through storm clouds that had been over my head for decades. A huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders now. Everyone at work started telling me that day and every day after how happy I seem and they didn't even know that I was getting divorced.

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  • Comment Link Megan Jackson Monday, 19 September 2016 14:16 posted by Megan Jackson

    I don't know if this will post or not.. but I would love some insight. I've been seeing a therapist for a bit over 3 months and and it was during my 2nd appointment that we discussed the possibility that my husband was a NARC. I had suspected for a couple of years (we have been together for 16 years now) but I could never get a clear grasp on it based on the online definitions. But talking to the therapist really opened my eyes to everything. In fact its been so eye opening that I found this site and found ways to deal with my husband and to fight against his ways. But I'm struggling with the fact that my husband seems to be fighting back. My husband is not the violent type of NARC, his ways are very subtle, controlling and minupilative and have been for years, but I never noticed it until I started seeing my therapist. She helped me realize that I AM NOT CRAZY! Which was on of the greatest things to admit outloud after all these years.

    But now my husband (who is a Christian) has started combatting with reading more self help couple books by Christians writers, he has gotten very quiet and closed off (we never really talked well anyway - specially these past few months). My issue is that I'm fighting with the idea of whether he can really change. I've read all the reviews above, but again I state... my husband is a stable hard working man, who keeps a job down, doesn't have affairs as far as I know.. and who doesn't scream at me at the top of his lungs. So he is so much different from alot of the NARC's that I've read about, which makes me wonder sometimes have we diagnosed him wrong, or am I the one with the issues (plenty of victim blaming left to repair).

    I'm worried about walking away from my marriage for no good reason, even though I don't like the person he can be and I don't like how he has changed and controlled me, and I do worry about our kids (6 year old Girl & 4 year old Boy). It is very confusing. I have a hard time trusting what I see, to what I fee, to what I know. I wonder if he's really trying to change, and if he does, can I learn to love him again. Or am I just fooling myself.

    I'm worried about staying b/c of these supposed changes and watching things go south again. I have been so weary of the gifts the flowers, the helping around the house, the offers to cook dinner.. mostly b/c I don't trust him and b/c he is still so angry, specially if I try to help at all. He just tells me to go sit down & relax, but I don't, he gets upset and frustrated and if I let it get to me I actually start to feel like I'm a horrible wife for not appreciating the gifts.

    Its very hard to live with and I've been praying for a while now for the guidance and insight on which way to go. But I'm at a loss. I don't know if my husband really is a NARC, or am I just looking for an excuse about why I'm not happy in the marriage.

  • Comment Link Birdy Friday, 19 August 2016 13:22 posted by Birdy

    I didn't even know I was dealing with a NARC, till after my therapist and a friend mentioned about it. I just though I was crazy and in all this craziness I must admit I did end up doing couple of crazy thing to prove to myself that I am not the crazy one.I have mixed feelings about what I did,but It did help me get to the bottom of things.
    For an year I with my Narc telling me I am bi-polar,have multiple personality disorder. He threw me out of the house twice, cos he always had some weird story about why I needed to be out for tonight,threw me out of the house where I was paying the rent! I don't know why I even left?Felt so stupid. I was embarrassed to talk to people,what made all this worse was I got pregnant, I got an abortion done, judge me all you'll want but I can now say it was a good decision.But it doesn't mean I don't feel bad, I do, I still grieve over it. and then there was drugs and gambling. I didn't know about drugs and gambling till much later.He would constantly lie about friends dying and would ask me to help him with so he could attend their funeral and later I would find out he is with another woman,he would tell me he is an undercover cop, I never believed that story but the length he went me to make me believe that was just wow..I would be bombarded with texts and emails from his so called other undercover cop friends,found it very very weird,it stopped one day when i threatened to go to actual cops, its just too complicated for me to explain it here,initially I though why would anyone lie about such things you know, people dying,undercover stuff.He has done things only an enemy would do and yet here he kept on telling me he loved me. If I shared anything with him, he would use that against me, twist and turn my words,if I cried he said it was just crocodile tears and i am manipulative and condescending and i ruined the relationship, infact it was me who was feeding him, he is a 32 year old man and i am 25 years old, I go to school full time,work on weekends ,he doesn't work at all. In the end I got tired of his antic and moved out,to be honest I was asked to stay out of the house for the night so he could do his "undercover cop" work i never went back to live with him, what bother me is why did i still stick around?! and in his defense he did give me a way out, he did say he wants to break up and just be friends with me on two occasions,first time was when I just had an abortion and he said he had cancer, I actually believed him initially and I wasn't gonna leave a person I love cos he is sick, he wanted to break up with me because he didn't want me to suffer with him through his sickness and second time after this big argument we had,i just could not think of my life without him but all this first couple of months. Lot of weirdness kept on happening and out of desperation i got in touch with one of woman he said was his Councillor to know the truth and turns out he was dating her!I knew he had cheated on me ,i've caught him several times but he would always make up stores that don't make sense but this time I wasn't gonna let it go,i needed proof,spoke to this woman,and tuens out he has been lying to her about lot of things as well,our stories matched and i felt lil better about myself knowing that she bought those lies that he had been spinning, Iand i was hurt of course, and I am ashamed to say I still wanted to work things out with him and i tried, but again I caught his lies and by now he had moved on with this 17 year old girl, which he denies till date that he is dating her,actually sometimes he tells me his dating her and other times,she is just a run away drug addict teenager he is helping And by now I knew what kind of a person he is.didn't know he was a Narc/psychopath yet, I just though he despised me and was just using me for money.
    One day I get a text from him saying he is in the hospital beat up, case of mistaken identity, i go there and omg! the drama that followed, he calls me to see him, I go, later text him ,I don't think its a good idea for me to be in touch with him,and yet he insist i come visit him,like fool i go and there he and the 17year old demand that i be his friend! I' m like wtf!! I refuse,they didn't ask me nicely, they were rude ,abusive and yelling, i regret yelling back at the girl,it was low moment for me, and by now its pretty much established I have no self respect or self esteem and I am asked me come back the next day to talk it all out in the hospital and I go again the girl abuses and insults me, i say nothing,i wanted to sort this out like an adult. I don't know why i went back, I loved that guy, part of me still does,so well anyway there was more drama but what was interesting this time was,I did not utter a word, not a word ,was just listening to them and all of sudden the guy tells me if i want to be his friend and talk to him i have to take permission from his girl! In my head i go like i am called here,cos you'll need help,you'll are demanding me to be friends and then asked me to take permission from her , all this happened so fast that before i before i could i process what is happening the girl starts yelling and asked me to bugger off from the guy's life ,the girl storms off ,i try talking to to the guy (at this point of time,i don't know why i was still there) he threatens to call security on me! I leave and never go back. I then get accused for being insensitive,selfish and at one point of time i was i must feel like God, for not giving him money.that was the day I think I first started setting my boundaries with him and tried no contact rule but i broke it several times.
    Even after all this,i still had hopes, gave him couple of changed his story about the girl again,said the girl is just helping him out and that she was the one who was in the hospital sleeping on couch besides him at nights when i refused to help him out, but i was never given a chance to do anything,every time i went to the hospital i was insulted,abused and asked to back off. I remember he telling me he sees his younger self in her wants to change her life for better.
    I know for a fact they are dating and one day i just decided enough is enough, I can no longer be part of this drama,i set no contact rule again and its been 10 days now i haven't spoken to him, i changed my phone number ,my email address and moved to a new place

  • Comment Link Melissa Tuesday, 09 August 2016 00:31 posted by Melissa

    I am in the process of divorcing a NARC as we speak. We were together for 7 years, married for 5. I can relate to what everyone else is saying on here. He cheated on me with our 20 something year old cleaning lady, in our home, for over a year. I'm sure she was not the first but will be the last. He lied on a daily basis from what he ate for breakfast to what city he was traveling to for work. He would go from the nicest, sweetest man on the planet to a raging psycho within a minute. We were all on eggshells constantly. One question I still just do not understand, even after my own therapy for several months is why do narcissists even get married? They obviously have no intention of remaining faithful. What's the point? Just stay single and go from victim to victim. Anyone have any thoughts?

  • Comment Link anomir Monday, 25 April 2016 19:05 posted by anomir

    No they never change. They use and abuse you .thrn dump you for new supply ...then come back after a few months love bombing you. And you take thrm back...worst mistake of my life....he ticked all nassisist boxes....he was prince charming at 1st and turned into a toad no soul...no empathy. ....i wish i never went back .i wish i never met him.i dnt even think you can classify NPD as a mental illness. ....these ppl lack a soul ...they non human...its something way more than a illness. ..they are the poster face for sheer evil in this world.

  • Comment Link Katie Sunday, 24 April 2016 19:52 posted by Katie

    Thank you for this. I've been with my narc partner for three years and it feels like he's scrambled my very sense of self. I kept trying to justify or explain what he was doing. I spent so many nights awake going over and over things in my head - things he'd said or done. That was my mistake. I was trying to understand him like he was a rational, same person. Narc's are NOT normal. It's taken me all this time to fully get that it truly is a mental illness.
    I gave him love, patience, kindness even when he was treating me like cr*p, and I might as well not have bothered. The minute I disagreed with him, or dared to say how I was feeling, I was subjected to the most hurtful, awful rage and scorn. He dismissed everything I said. He was never wrong. If I said he'd upset me, he was full of rage - how dare I say that? I was a selfish person, according to him. His favorite phrase was "After everything I've done for you". Sometimes I felt like saying "What? Like lying, shouting at me, sneering at me, making me think I was going crazy?"
    They are sick in the head. I read a book saying some could change if you gave them kindness. I did that even when he treated me so cruelly. It didn't work. It might work for a few, but anyone with NPD is beyond help, as far as I'm concerned. They're empty inside.
    If you're reading this because you're debating whether to stay with a narcissist. Please don't. Leave before they tear your heart out and trample it to pieces without the slightest guilt whatsoever.
    They lie, they bully, they dismiss everything you say and feel, and then they blame you and make themselves out to be the victim.
    Save your own sanity - get out. They are broken and no amount of love will glue them back together. Ever.

  • Comment Link Alison Lynette Monday, 15 February 2016 03:40 posted by Alison Lynette

    I have been in a narcissistic abusive relationship for 15 years. The first four years, he was controlling; had to answer my phone on the first ring or he would swear and cuss me out, accusing me of cheating. I even had to bring the phone when I showered to not miss his call. He had my password to my email and made me stop seeing my girlfriends and I couldn't talk with a male friend for more than 5 minutes. He told me his ex wife cheated on him so I was thinking that was the reason he was like that. I left him but he promised to change. I went back and his tactics changed. Silent treatment, secrecy, punishment and gas lighting were introduced. He broke my self esteem and identity. He was demanding, demeaning and blaming me and keeping track of my wrongdoings, like speaking up for myself. I was afraid of him, had to choose the right words to say or he would rage and punish me. It only got worse and when I thought, he couldn't get any crueler, he shellshocked me with inhuman cruel words and actions, never feeling remorse or empathy. I almost committed suicide; felt lonely, unloved and self blame and doubt. He told me "I want you out and you won't leave." He always kicks me out and blames me that I made him do or say things. This time, I told him, I'm leaving because of him telling me to get out and he said he never said that and it was my decision to leave and he said he stopped loving me for 4 years. He totally broke me and could care less. He slammed the door on me and blamed me for putting my hand where the door could slam on them. I did not expect him to slam the door. It only gets unimaginably worse!

  • Comment Link Jo Saturday, 16 January 2016 04:50 posted by Jo

    Thank you for this site! I want to vent! My ex narc Spawn of Satan never took accountability for not one thing in his whole adult life. He screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, took out equity loans without my approval. Abused porn, womanized, coerced women, exploited clients, robbed from Peter to pay Paul to life his extravagant LOOK AT ME I'm so dang important lifestyle. He was an emotional vampire. Everything in life, love, and with money was but a huge joke to him. He did not care. Party time for him all the time! Then of course was the finding God phase. He wanted to get right with God and everyone else. Yep, that lasted about a week. Why? Because that would involve true commitment! That would involve being honest! Sacrificing for someone else other than his own wants, needs, & desires. That was a complete joke! The last and final big mistake he made was flirting with a 22 year old at the bar when he was suppose to be at the ballgame with the kids! He was out drinking and flirting and carrying on with his immature attitude instead of taking care of business. I had finally had enough of the codependent BS and relying on him to act like a man. He is going to act like an immature 18 year old for the rest of his life and is damn near 50! He has ruined so many lives, so many relationships, lied to all his ex wives, lied to me constantly, lied to so many women, abused and used so many business associates/partners, abused so many family members money and lives, it's truly sad and truly pathetic. The only way he views human beings is a source of his supply. Human beings are viewed like drugs to him. He gets a high off of using other peoples $, a high off of using people sexually, emotionally, duping, and exploiting. Truly a careless, abusive, sick human being. I really do believe we have a higher power to answer to someday and what flipping goes around comes around and he's day will come eventually. Glad to be done with all of the BS!

  • Comment Link Guest Saturday, 12 December 2015 06:25 posted by Guest

    Mine lied. Mine cheated. Mine stole. Mine blamed me. He used everyone. He uses religion to cover up his evil schemes. He's a jerk. I pray that he will reap what he sows. He blames society, the economy, other women, his ex wives, everyone but himself. For these idiots or fools to take accountability for their lives being chaotic or miserable is too much for them so they live in denial. He is worse than a snake in the grass.

  • Comment Link Anne Friday, 13 November 2015 13:06 posted by Anne

    My ex narc cheated on me with an old friend of mine. When I realized that he wouldn't leave her I packed everything that he owned & threw it away. I was allowing weekly visits with the children until every time he was suppose to come get them he never showed up, the kids girls ages 9 & 11 decided they didn't want to go with him anymore. Within a year he has moved in with this new supply (after promising the kids he would not, and his new apt. Would be just for them). They children have told him they don't want to meet her or her 2 young daughters. Now less then a year into his new relationship he drops the bomb on our daughters that his new girlfriend is having a baby boy in 4 months. Our children are very upset over this because for a long time he has been an absentee father to them, then I let him back into our lives & after 2 years of being the so call "good father" he cheats & throws our family out in the cold as if we were nothing to him. Is it possible that he's gonna love this new baby & change for his new supply or treat them the way he treated me our children & his ex wife & his oldest son. I need some closure here any advice or words of wisdom can maybe help me get my daughters through what they feel is the worst thing their father has done. They cut off all contact with him. We're going back & forth to court & im afraid that he may get visits & this is really not what the kids want. I don't know what to do. My heart breaks for my girls. Btw let it be know that this new girlfriend has lost custody of her 2 daughters. She only gets supervised visits with them.

  • Comment Link maryjackson Friday, 25 September 2015 22:02 posted by maryjackson

    i am pregnant for my ex and i need him to come back to. me now.

  • Comment Link Cookie Girl Tuesday, 15 September 2015 03:24 posted by Cookie Girl

    It's like these people belong to one race. Their behavior is the same manipulating, lies and cheating.
    My husband (28 years) has been controlling me all this time and I have facilitated His behavior because I am co-dependent. I seriously thought I was compromising in marriage like a loving wife. He has left me for another woman five years ago but because we have a family business, he is still in my life. I try to limit his access to me but he just walks in like he's only been away a short time
    I understand that he is incapable of love or any genuine feeling but why does he have to be so cruel and destructive?

  • Comment Link maria Sunday, 05 July 2015 17:26 posted by maria

    i drank not to feel i had every bad manipulators and abusers as my mother and foster mothers were to abused most likely every boyfriend i had was a drinker on drugs etc. i thought something was wrong with me it was i stopped drinking on my own no help by myself prayer gave me strength . i met a boyfriend 8 years ago when i was drinking i stopped during that time the pain from me degrading myself plus this narcissist degrading me was to much for me to bear the booze was a open door for misery to enter so i stopped i started feeling good about myself i thought he would to he did not he kept telling me how much fun i was before hoe i talked up for myself before how boring i was well i admit there is a great change but it was not for his benefit hes still around i keep going along with him to have a little company but hes like having ten demons in my house at one time its all about him he got a new car and makes me feel small when he got it and some money he wanted to just be my friend i could get more friendship from a lion with a toothache every other week or two he will let me drive around the block which is a large circle around my house two circles and the lessons are over he wants to impress the neighbors like hes doing so much for me i live alone well my driving test is in two weeks a little bit of training is better then none praying to get my licence so once and for all i can drive out of his life right now i am going along with the program but i at the same token going against my grain i dislike pretending i learned i have the power to allow are not allow certain things into my life you can get whipped out of the ring just as bad as in the ring so after you find out that you are being abused let it go to long like me you will get accustomed and adore that type of life no life you are created in this life to worship only one god and that is our creator no man on the face of this world can or can ever be that powerful you are made from his image which is love let no man female tramp upon your back you represent the best.

  • Comment Link Vanessa Sunday, 14 June 2015 20:59 posted by Vanessa

    I'm married to a expert narcissist. He wanted a baby of his own so here I am 5 months pregnant and caught him lying again and feeling disgusting cause I don't get any affection at all so I cried n brought it up, big mistake now I'm homeless with my two kids and unborn child, he denies the baby being his but then tells me he never said such a thing and I better let him come to ultrasounds. Quite frankly he's been doing this to me for 4 yrs and everytime he don't get what he wants or the going gets tough he leaves for whatever reason he can put on me and cheats but yet calls me the cheater I just can't wrap my finger around this man I've never met someone who is a professional liar manipulator and have no empathy I wish I knew what to do to keep him out of the babies life and mine but I feel addicted to him he also knows I got no one else anyway but it's been 12 days so far no contact I'm homeless but can't deal with this abuse anymore

  • Comment Link Julie Shorley Friday, 22 May 2015 16:08 posted by Julie Shorley

    I've been married 40 years. Found my husband had been cheating on me 3 years ago. Left me a total of 4 times since. Last time was for 8 mths. He lied to me to get back in the house. He has morphed into someone I don't know anymore. He displays all the narcissitic charateristics. I have lost all my affection and love for him. He's cruel and has horrible fits of rage. I have tried to keep out marriage together. Just when my defenses start to come down I discover he is still seeing this woman. I am exhausted and angry.

  • Comment Link luke Wednesday, 06 May 2015 20:11 posted by luke

    I am still married and have been married to narc for 11 years I am male and wife has left me 6 times she took my son the first time she took my son he was 4 yrs old and I didn't hear form her for 9 months until I filed for divorce she then returned to me and stayed with me until my son started pre-school I saw the systems again and she walked out on me again and have not heard form her in the last 2 mths she sent me a missed call and when returning the call by text message she ignored me she gave me a false address and lied to me as to where she is staying I cannot let my son go and will wait until the right and I will divorce her all I can say is stay form a narc person they walk amongest us as demons

  • Comment Link hurting and heartbroken Saturday, 25 April 2015 11:36 posted by hurting and heartbroken

    where to begin..I have just left my partner of 10 years who I believe to have NPD. this is unfortunately not the first time. I was 17 when we got together, and for years he has been mentally and emotionally abusing me, majority of the time without me even realizing as I grew so used to it. now we have 2 young children and I know its my job as a mother to protect them, and I will die trying. I had never been familiar with narcissm up until January this year, but have always felt that something was not right, his mother helped bring this to my attention as she is also a narc, when she started trying to get at my kids, especially my 3 year old daughter as my son is only 1 and cant be manipulated yet and she shows no interest in him. she makes me sick to my stomach. as I now know there is so much I had already let her get away with. the relationship between the 2 of them is also sickening to the point I think she has possibly sexually abused him as a child. when we first got together he had nothing to do with her and didn't for quite some time as she had kicked him out of home at 16 (I met him when he was 20) so he was obviously the scapegoat child as he has 2 younger half brothers, that are the golden ones. for years he would tell me how much he hated her, which I never understood as I have a very loving and caring relationship with my own mother, so at different times in the first few years I would encourage him to make peace with her and the times I had spent with her she had alluded me that he was the one with the issues. meanwhile, everything he told me she did to him he was doing to me also. she never met our daughter until after she was one due to them fighting, and I guess from that moment on she has always made a point of wanting to keep in touch even after there fights because she wants access to my daughter. demanding that we move close to her, wanting us to visit every weekend (a 6 hour drive from where we live) and whenever we did visit she would always take over my role as a mother undermine anything I did and especially how I did it. I often felt threatened and would approach my partner with my concerns who would brush them off with claims she didn't get to see her often shes trying to help bla bla. during my pregnancy with our son she made my life hell, ringing me everyday trying to name him I declined every name stating it was mine and my partners choice, wanting to come in to the labour I declined that also, and making a point of calling me fat as I am usually quite small (she is very overweight might I add) I declined all of her obscene offers and this drove her crazy and made her angry. I am generally a strong person but at the same time she was causing me so much stress and anxiety and again when I would try to tell my partner he would get angry at me thinking I was too sensitive. we had a falling out with her when my son was 4 months old, I had tried to mediate between mother and son and the moment I started defending him and puting things at her she abused me said horrible things about my parents and my children told me to go fuck myself and hung up in my ear. finally me and my partner were on the same page I could tell him how she had been making me feel and he agreed and shared more with me about the things she done to him, we didn't have to deal with her or 6 wonderfull months in that time he still gave me silent treatments, ignored and never helped much with our children if he was angry with me but all in all its probably the best we have ever got along (how pathetic does that sound) I experienced my first happy birthday in years and felt he was generally changing. during the time of no contact with his mother I had started getting prank calls regularly but never gave them much thought. come Christmas time an unknown number calls his phone and he makes me answer it. of course it was her, they spoke, she apparently was sorry had been trying to call months on end ect next thing I know they are coming down boxing day and see you then. I was pissed o right away as I felt I deserved an apology I was told to be the bigger person bla bla its happening deal with it pretty much. I was confused and surprised as to how quick he accepted her back and how defensive he was becoming of her again. I went to a lot of trouble making a meal and homemade pudding which demanded because they had all been at work Christmas day, it was completely unappreciated discarded. I began to notice a lot of creepy things she was doing with my daughter that day, trying to get her to sware, brushing off her excitement of her new presents from santa with when are you coming to play with all the toys at granny's house and how much better they were. she then took her for a drive to her in-laws, would not put her in a car seat when I demanded she did and basically just drove off. my partner had at the time gone down the street and my son was sleeping I felt completely powerless. they were gone 5 hours. after returning they left. the next few days afterwards my daughter was different. wouldn't let me touch her as in cuddle show affection or even lift her on things at the playground, she began saying that she couldn't tell me something which is not like my little girl at all, I found her singing a song about only being able to play with the gifts from granny, made a point of telling me that granny saw her fanny which my partner covered with she probably helped her wipe at the toilet (she has never said this after my mum has helped her or anyone else for that matter) and tickled her bum to go to sleep. all of this and after having a very significant dream is how I got onto reading and finding out bout narcissm. after gaining knowledge and reading other peoples experiences it was like reading my life on paper. I would tremble at the sheer mention of her name. I approached my partner as I felt as a concerned parent should and which I thought he would be too. I made it clear that she would never have access to them alone again. he completely brushed me off and turned it on to me at how Im not going to stop her from knowing her grandkids and how awful I am for even thinking that, to cut a long story short as I would not back down we had a massive fight and he called her and told her everything I thought, im so sick of hearing her bag you out mummy he told her, I left with kids that day. only to return not long after, but since then I stuck to my guns about her to the point he wont even mention her around me continued my research and gained more knowledge and discovered that he was a narc too. the last few months have been the worst of my entire life with him. up until leaving 3 days ago. I need help as im scared im going to fall for his same shit, the calm, the say everything you want to here bullshit. but I know in my heart what has to be done and feel I have been given an opportunity to change my life. unfortunately due to the kids I no ill always have ties to him. I need to break this cycle as I value my childrens lives so much and no I need to put them first. its just so hard to try and not believe that things will get better as I am a kind hearted person and would love to believe he could change and worry what will become of him if he doesn't have me (again pathetic) as I have loved this man for a decade, although I haven't actually been in love for a long time. I know they both will never change and even if things were ok between us there would always be his mother in the back ground anyway and I do not want to see that serpent bitch again and I don't want her near my kids. I would definitely push for supervised visits when it comes to custody rights. in the midst of fighting I have even been as nice to say she could see them but it would be in front of me in my lounge room as I will not take my children there. how do you shut off those feeling for this areshole who has treated me worse then a piece of shit on the ground when he is putting the charm on and tryin to win me back, as I already know he thinks I will and im worried that if I don't go back home with a plan that most likely I will. help!!! so confused he has so much control over my mind and my mind is so used to it. I don't want to be a victom I want to be a survivor . im so broken and scared

  • Comment Link Alison Romero Sunday, 01 February 2015 03:51 posted by Alison Romero

    I left a very horrific narcissistic boyfriend after 12+ years in November 2014. I attempted leaving numerous times prior, only to return. His abuse and punishment only intensified more frequently, more severely and for a longer timeframe. He blamed me for everything, bossed me around, played mind games, denied what he said earlier, swore at me, lied unnecessarily, threatened me, isolated, gave me the silent treatment, punished me when I don't do or say something that meets his expectation, bought a gift then demanded it back because I am not deserving of his gift, told me how to do things, rejected and belittled me, very secretive, gambles, and never was able to share his feelings or thoughts. He would get mad if i had a difference of opinion from his or voice my feelings of asking him to say 'please' rather than command me to do something. He would fault me for getting him angry thereby kicking me out of his house or the brutality of his vicious and demeaning words or punishments. He broke me down emotionally where I lost my self esteem and identity. I always had self blame and doubt. It was when I left in November 2014 that I went to our local Domestic Violence Center for an assessment, confirming I am a battered woman of abuse. I attend a support group which helped me to realize this is not my fault, and he will never change but will get worse. I should have seen the red flags but he was so good at disguising his true self. He was abusive to his ex wife because I spoke with her, and his son and 2 daughters refuse to see him, from the time they were about 12 years old, they are all in their 20's now. Will just blamed his ex wife that she bribed the kids to not see him. He didn't focus in his kids, would be gambling, sleeping late at 2:30am and wake up at 5:30am to place his bets and then sleep until the afternoon. His kids had to make their own can soup for breakfast and wait until he got up and they would go to lunch. In all these years, Will never sent his kids a Christmas gift or card, not even for their birthday. He didn't try to see the kids. It feels great that he no longer can control or abuse me. The truth has set me free.

  • Comment Link Maryann Monday, 26 January 2015 18:35 posted by Maryann

    He used me for over 20years!!!!!!! How dare he....lies lies lies...i was suicidal over him a month ago. Im married to him, we have kids in highschool. Hes disabled. I will look soooo mean and callous to leave him. Im 51 and feel used up. I hate him, our 15 yr old daughter is just like him, but worse. I need out....im so out of my mind. We are getting evicted, again, hes a tornado, i am caring, nice, nurturing, hes rejected me secually, emotionally, its like a Hitchcock movie..

  • Comment Link Southernbelle Wednesday, 21 January 2015 21:48 posted by Southernbelle

    I "escaped" a very abusive marriage, back in 2001. i use the term "marriage", but it was anything but a marriage, it was always one sided, his side. He could never see his behavior, as the reason why he had so many problems in his life, both past and present. it was always someones fault, but his. what made things worse, for me was. He had family who supported this behavior, enablers. It was never a time when i could just go and talk with my MIL, about her son beating me, his refusal to hold a job, I would always get 'ratted out". When i criticized him, that being either to his face or to his enablers. The same reaction, anger! It was always some other reason for him acting like he had, or it was someones fault for making him go off! I can't remember one time, he was held responsible for anything he done, by his enablers. That would be the first people he would seek out, after i would say something to him about what he had done, or was doing. Someone had to hurry and let him know, that it wasn't his fault, he was perfect, great. It got to the point, he only wanted me to assocuate with these people, not my family or friends. Anyone who kissed up to him, was ok, but if you didn't, that was not anyone he wanted to be around. That's why he had no friends, not one friend in this big world of ours.

    I was able to use his own messed up behavior, to leave him. finding out that he had done something very bad, but he had no clue that i was aware of this. I used it to get him out of the house. i convinced him, because of what i had heard, that the police had a warrant, been to the house looking him to serve it. he had a very bad habit, of running from things, things he had done and wanted to escape from. I lead him to think, i didn't know what the warrant was for, even though it was no warrant at all. His guilt showed, he was so scared. So scared of being exposed for the nasty human being he was. Scared that his imaginary false self image was going to be seen in a bad light. What he had failed to realize was, everyone who knew him, except his enablers...knew what he was all about anyways. these people are so sick, in every way you can think of, sick!

    I knew what to expect, after the split up. His rage, anger and bad mouthing would start up. he would become the victim, i would be the very evil woman who took advantage of his love. people laughed at him, those who knew him...he would get so mad! When confronted by a relative of mine, for beating and raping me. He denied it of course, said i was drunk on drugs. he then proved how bad his anger problem was, by cursing out a preacher in a church one Sunday. The preacher knew my situation, he had came that Sunday to bad mouth me. he was so afraid he had been exposed as a wife beater to the church, i had only attended like 2 times. he also wanted to use it as a platform to tell his version of the story, he being the victim of course. He had always tried to use religion as a manipulation tool. that seems to be a very common thing, with crazies and manipulators. it would not work that time, he got busted!!! Again, his rage proved to be how he really acted, when he got busted or criticized for his behavior. he was such a fake. They are all fakes, just wanting to be praised all the time, even when they don't deserve it!!

  • Comment Link Edri Friday, 16 January 2015 12:40 posted by Edri

    I am married to a NARC busy to get my things together to divorce him. I just can not take it anymore. unfortunately he is manipulating my 9 year old son so much. how can I get my son to see what is going on. please help me

  • Comment Link Lisa Semrau Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:55 posted by Lisa Semrau

    I'm having a hard time sitting back watching my 14 year old daughter put up with her narc father. Everything is about what he wants to do (when it's his weekend). She'll be asked to a friends house but he'll tell she can't go because she must join him to go what he wants. She says she'd rather stay home by herself than go do he says "ok" knowing she'll be miserable & change her mind to join him. When I offer suggestions on speaking up for herself she says she'd rather back down vs argue with him because he'll hold it over her head to prevent other things she would want to do. She learning to be a doormat just to get through her 7 days with him. She tells me she likes being with me better but would never voice her opinion of choosing one home over the other. She would be guilt ridden. It's horribly frustrating and I just don't know how to help her. I can walk away from it but she can't.

  • Comment Link Andre Wednesday, 08 October 2014 18:49 posted by Andre

    As a man who has read hundreds of accounts of women struggling with narcissistic men, the one thing that stands out is it seems like they are talking about the same man. On another note, I suspect it's biological. If it was merely a psychic injury in childhood of an otherwise healthy person, you would hear more narcissists relating about their personal DESIRE to change and SUCCESS at changing.

  • Comment Link Miss Monday, 15 September 2014 02:49 posted by Miss

    These roles – allocated to them explicitly and demandingly or implicitly and perniciously by the narcissist – are best fulfilled by ones whose mind is not yet fully formed and independent. The older the siblings or offspring, the more they become critical, even judgemental, of the narcissist. They are better able to put into context and perspective his actions, to question his motives, to anticipate his moves.

    As they mature, they often refuse to continue to play the mindless pawns in his chess game. They hold grudges against him for what he has done to them in the past, when they were less capable of resistance. They can gauge his true stature, talents and achievements – which, usually, lag far behind the claims that he makes.

    This brings the narcissist a full cycle back to the first phase. Again, he perceives his siblings or sons/daughters as threats. He quickly becomes disillusioned and devaluing. He loses all interest, becomes emotionally remote, absent and cold, rejects any effort to communicate with him, citing life pressures and the preciousness and scarceness of his time.

    He feels burdened, cornered, besieged, suffocated, and claustrophobic. He wants to get away, to abandon his commitments to people who have become totally useless (or even damaging) to him. He does not understand why he has to support them, or to suffer their company and he believes himself to have been deliberately and ruthlessly trapped.

    He rebels either passively-aggressively (by refusing to act or by intentionally sabotaging the relationships) or actively (by being overly critical, aggressive, unpleasant, verbally and psychologically abusive and so on). Slowly – to justify his acts to himself – he gets immersed in conspiracy theories with clear paranoid hues.

    To his mind, the members of the family conspire against him, seek to belittle or humiliate or subordinate him, do not understand him, or stymie his growth. The narcissist usually finally gets what he wants and the family that he has created disintegrates to his great sorrow (due to the loss of the Narcissistic Space) – but also to his great relief and surprise (how could they have let go someone as unique as he?).

    This is the cycle: the narcissist feels threatened by arrival of new family members – he tries to assimilate or annex of siblings or offspring – he obtains Narcissistic Supply from them – he overvalues and idealizes these newfound sources – as sources grow older and independent, they adopt anti narcissistic behaviours – the narcissist devalues them – the narcissist feels stifled and trapped – the narcissist becomes paranoid – the narcissist rebels and the family disintegrates.

    This cycle characterises not only the family life of the narcissist. It is to be found in other realms of his life (his career, for instance). At work, the narcissist, initially, feels threatened (no one knows him, he is a nobody). Then, he develops a circle of admirers, cronies and friends which he "nurtures and cultivates" in order to obtain Narcissistic Supply from them. He overvalues them (to him, they are the brightest, the most loyal, with the biggest chances to climb the corporate ladder and other superlatives).

    But following some anti-narcissistic behaviours on their part (a critical remark, a disagreement, a refusal, however polite) – the narcissist devalues all these previously idealized individuals. Now that they have dared oppose him - they are judged by him to be stupid, cowardly, lacking in ambition, skills and talents, common (the worst expletive in the narcissist's vocabulary), with an unspectacular career ahead of them.

    The narcissist feels that he is misallocating his scarce and invaluable resources (for instance, his time). He feels besieged and suffocated. He rebels and erupts in a serious of self-defeating and self-destructive behaviours, which lead to the disintegration of his life.

    Doomed to build and ruin, attach and detach, appreciate and depreciate, the narcissist is predictable in his "death wish". What sets him apart from other suicidal types is that his wish is granted to him in small, tormenting doses throughout his anguished life.

    Appendix - Custody and Visitation

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    A parent diagnosed with full-fledged Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) should be denied custody and be granted only restricted rights of visitation under supervision.

    Narcissists accord the same treatment to children and adults. They regard both as sources of narcissistic supply, mere instruments of gratification - idealize them at first and then devalue them in favour of alternative, safer and more subservient, sources. Such treatment is traumatic and can have long-lasting emotional effects.

    The narcissist's inability to acknowledge and abide by the personal boundaries set by others puts the child at heightened risk of abuse - verbal, emotional, physical, and, often, sexual. His possessiveness and panoply of indiscriminate negative emotions - transformations of aggression, such as rage and envy - hinder his ability to act as a "good enough" parent. His propensities for reckless behaviour, substance abuse, and sexual deviance endanger the child's welfare, or even his or her life.

  • Comment Link linda Tuesday, 12 August 2014 18:59 posted by linda

    Once you've been with a narcissist long enough you'll begin to see signs that the person doesn't act and behave like a "real person". They are actors, phonies, always saying things (true or not) that will get them attention. The more attention they get the more they want. If you witness them in a crowd talking to people, getting them laughing and giving him undivided attention, you'll see how he continues to pour it on to the point he begins to sound ridiculous. This is because many times they will start out telling a story with some accuracy but if they don't illicit from their listeners the reaction they are looking they'll begin to embellish, make up things, and down right distort the story till it becomes a bunch of lies just to get the reaction they want. I have been the brunt of quite a few stories he's told in order to get reaction from people. This is just one personality flaw you will observe if you are around them long enough..

  • Comment Link Rae Brickman Monday, 11 August 2014 16:37 posted by Rae Brickman

    A Narcissist is only interested in securing what they want from an relationship. It could be to have their youngest female daughter take care of them until they decease-if they are become ill in their older life or if that youngest child they identify with has younger children. They have no empathy for anyone no matter how hard a female attempts to get close, it does not work. Their is no inward feeling of intimacy to please their female friend; sex means nothing to them. As they get older, their appetite grows stronger for other sexual adventures. They have no soul.

  • Comment Link linda Wednesday, 06 August 2014 12:28 posted by linda

    Narcissist do not change. I have been married to a NARC for 30 years. Yes...thirty years of my life has been invested in this nightmare. I am to the point in my life I don' think I can make a decision more important than what to buy at the grocery store. They will make you feel as if you can't make decisions. You will begin to feel you have to run everything by them before you act on anything. Mine has been unfaithful from the beginning but was always skilled at making me think he wasn't. As a newly married woman you of course do not want to see or think this man could already be tired of you. The cheating continued throughout the marriage. When he finally got busted to the point he couldn't talk his way out of it he poured on the emotions, the "I'm so sorry" and "you mean everything to me" blah..blah..blah. He seemed genuine, they are masters at deception. I dropped the divorce proceedings and yes tried again. It has been completely downhill since. I know to fight this man in court would take me and a team of lawyers and even then I couldn't lie and deceive the way he can and feel I wouldn't have a chance of coming out of it with any sanity left. I feel so pathetic most days which I guess is exactly what he wants. Please if you are young or even older like myself if you have support and feel you can make a change ...don't wait! They do not change!!

  • Comment Link RAE Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:04 posted by RAE

    The only way this personality will change is if you acquaint them with the fact that they risk their soul entering Heaven when they die. They desperately need to obey & teach the principles of JESUS CHRIST every day of their life. There is no guarantee this will move them to change but it is a beginning. You, if you are involved with this type of personality, you must become a self-less individual of which very few woman will gladly accept this type of role.

  • Comment Link anna Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:31 posted by anna

    I too am divorcing a narcissist, after 33 years of fighting to save my marriage while he went through it with a bull dozer and blamed me for every thing he did his lies his porn addiction his moods his sneaky behaviour getting up to all sorts, was my fault or his mothers fault who has been dead for 20 years I gave up and was dropped like an old rag while he swanned of to his new life when I demanded an apology for his latest bad behaviour nope I was not worth it, after all the crap I put up with, he has forgot he has a family grand kids as well the only family he speaks to are my son's who must phone him he stole my life thinking back he never loved or cared about me it's hard to admit to but he only married me to make him look good and look normal which he was not a ounce of empathy even for his kids, the world revolved around him any one out there if you see this in your husband get out while you are young because you will be dropped when you are older and never get the chance to see what real love is like with a real man.

  • Comment Link Wantofftheride Monday, 03 March 2014 22:00 posted by Wantofftheride

    I'm in the process of divorcing my husband. I believe him to be a narcissist although he has never been diagnosed. You know, I'm the one with the problem not him! We have been together a total of 31/2 years and married almost 21/2 years. I don't remember a time looking back that there was never another woman on the side. He has had me locked up in a psychiatric hospital and even put me in jail once so he could go meet a woman he met on The Internet and needed me out of the way. I was put in jail for hitting him and I was wrong for that but I had found out about another woman. Not the one he was driving 21/2 hours to have sex with. In our short time together I know of 15 women and I have estimated there to be between 30 and 45. Anyway I filed for divirce a couple of weeks ago and now he is "hoovering". I'm his 3rd wife and he has gradually gotten worse with each one of us. This is also my 3rd marriage and I don't want a divorce but I'm married to a stranger. He is well....read the characteristics of a narcissist and that's him to a T!!! He is a supervisor for a well know company and yet had NO money and no place to live. Right now he is living with another supervisor that he works with. He's been sofa surfing for a while now. I was about to let him come back home and then found out about a prostitute. He was going to counseling but stopped. Now he wants to start marriage counseling etc etc etc. He refuses to let me see the phone bill and has hidden his phone our entire relationship. I don't trust him because of what he has done to me yet he says it's because if my past relationships. I know I need to stay strong but sometimes I have a hard time. I'm a good person with a big heart and I think that might be my biggest downfall. I'm starting counseling for myself as soon as I get a list of counselors that take my insurance. Does anyone have any advise? I'm tired if the crazy cycle and I want off the ride. I'm 48 yes old and I am also scared no one else will want me. I think that's why I keep going back. Help

  • Comment Link lavishluxxuries@gmail.com Friday, 31 January 2014 15:09 posted by lavishluxxuries@gmail.com

    I can't compare to most of you who were married for years but I just exited to the left one of the most traumatic roller coaster rides of my life--- exactly a year ago...I went on my first day with a man who lit the room up, one of the most beautiful men I'd ever seen ...after our first date I was in love with what I knew as his personality as well (there was something magnetic) after that we were unseperable, we spent every moment together and we lived in our own bubble. We'd go out, get drunk dance the night away and only saw eachother....that is until about 6 months later he told me that I was too unstable and he wanted to go back to his ex-wife. I was in love and he'd simply walked away in the middle of our relationship--- until a couple days later, one call, two calls and by the end of the day over 200. He wanted me back and completed formulated a story about him not wanting to go back anymore....eventually after flowers and even making him sleep on my floor one night....I took him back in. Drum roll please, he left on vacation telling me he was going with family and come to find out it was with no other than, his ex wife. Again, he got back and told me it was mistake and being so caught up in his obsessing, getting on his knees in the middle of the street, saying he might hurt himself... after a few weeks I took him back again....I knew it wasn't healthy but I was convinced I couldn't live without him. There were a few times I'd gone out on my balcony and thought maybe he would actually feel bad for SOMETHING....since his repeated lies and cheating indicated he had no remorse. I used to dream about our future and pray to GOD he would let me keep him but every day felt like a struggle to keep him loving me and his interest. I was exhausted. In the end after multiple new lies and cheating, we had a blow up fight at a bar...he had another woman on his lap and looked at me like I was a complete stranger....I walked away and never looked back. I suppose sometimes it's the straw the breaks the camels back. And mine surely did break. I was doing the token narc/codependant dance and after reflecting realized that his complaints about "not taking his lead", "not comitting enough to him", his insecurity even though I would've given my arm to be with him, his little value to sex and infidelity--in fact he used it to control me. In the end (now) he calls, wrote me letters about how he's changed and it was God but never once apologized for the utter life shattering year he put me through, for convincing me he wanted a future when I was really just his shiny toy....the one to blame? The "devil" he claimed. SMH It's sad that he will never understand; one day I told him (in the past) that when I look in his eyes there's this cold emptiness, he said he got chills because his mom used to tell him that. I am still recovering, every day, every moment I fight the thoughts that it was my fault, if I was prettier or gave up my modeling ect. They say the devil is beautiful and he said the devil is a lie....well then he's the closest thing to the devil.

  • Comment Link Sher Saturday, 19 October 2013 02:53 posted by Sher

    I have been married to a narcissist lawyer for 22 years and am in the divorce process. I am grateful that your children recognize him for what he is because it makes it so so much harder when children do not. My youngest is a daughter (16) who has been under the influence of her Disneyland dad for years. My narcissistic husband (whom I believe actually does not NPD) is manipulating my daughter to the limits in the divorce process. My 22 year old son is basically trying to stay out of the divorce (he lives at home) but has had to speak out to my 16 year old daughter when she calls me names (which she never did before the divorce process) and he had told her that her dad is indeed manipulating her. I know God has a plan. He has led me by taking baby steps through this process. And I have faith that He will get me and all 3 children through this divorce. Oh, and now my husband wants me back...but I know God does not want that after all that has been revealed to me about his behavior. There is hope but not with my narcissist husband. I do pray for him though.

  • Comment Link Lumari Wednesday, 02 October 2013 21:42 posted by Lumari

    I was married to a narcissist and going through a divorce. The family suffered basic needs and quality time with the children and myself. He put us through homelessness , secured his needs and destroyed our sense of self. He blames everyone for what he put us through and me in particular. He harasses me through emails and is relentless in claiming his love for me and the family . I am sick to my stomach at his ease to commit fraud with taxes unknown to me till recently. I can't wait for the divorce to be concluded and this horrible nightmare to end . I have been tormented at all levels by him and he will never change nor do expect him to. If you live with a narcissist get away from him or her because things will just get worse and you will be frozen in a state of total tormentaion ! Run as fast as you can before you drives you insane.

  • Comment Link Stella S Monday, 30 September 2013 14:36 posted by Stella S

    I just ended a relationship with a man who I suspect is exactly what you are talking about. Im so stunned right now at how quickly this thing dissolved. We were to move into a home TODAY but as the time came nearer, his behaviors became even more odd? Although we have been living together in my current home, he always said that we needed to get a place "that is ours." I can't believe looking back how he has disarmed me and my spirit and it was so subtle that I am sitting her sad about my "future" plans being a damn lie. Now what? After reading all that I have, sounds like I should run, grieve the "future" for what it will not be and count my blessings? I never knew why his 6 grown adult children want nothing to really do with him, his sister, his mother and two brothers don't like him either. I spent all this time trying to get him to "mend" whatever it was that caused this, wondering now if it was HIM all along? Gosh, Im so hurt today

  • Comment Link Lacretia Monday, 09 September 2013 16:42 posted by Lacretia

    Reading this has helped me so much. Thank all of you who has commented on this blog! Ive been married 3 years, have an 8 month old son and just realized I'm married to a narc! It has been so awful! He left me when I was pregnant. I'm self employed! I almost lost my business dealing with this lunatic! He has so many issues and I fell for every manipulative scheme. I don't feel stupid anymore since I did my research and realized what I am dealing with!

  • Comment Link paul Friday, 06 September 2013 14:35 posted by paul

    I am a NARC..I'm destroying my family..or have..I want help to change..can I...someone help me..or what do I do

  • Comment Link Veronica Friday, 23 August 2013 20:43 posted by Veronica

    Just ended a 5 year relationship, with the man I thought was my "soul mate." This happened 3 months ago, and thru mutual friends, I found out that he moved his ex-wife back 4 weeks after we broke up into the house we purchased. OUCH!!! They both cheated on eachother, he cheated on me, and from what I am reading, he will continue to do it. I never realized that I was in such a toxic relationship. I knew he had childhood issues, but never, in my wildest dreams, thought I was being abused. I have 2 teenagers from a previous marriage, and they saw right thru him. He used my kids as a reason for the break up. I have issues feeling so hurt, demoralized, etc, etc, etc. You name it, he did it and I took it. Thank you for your blog, and all your readers. It gives me hope for our future.

  • Comment Link Dr. LCC Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:46 posted by Dr. LCC

    I was married to one....They do not change...at least not for the better! Oh and bless you if you are more successful then he is or make more money! They are the most jealous insecure creatures imaginable! They will use you for what they want and need, all while painting themselves as a "victim" of circumstance. I have just recently stopped "beating myself up" for allowing this "nothing" to exist in my world. Albeit I am thankful for a new beginning, it only magnified how truly horrible a person he was once I entered into a normal relationship with a wonderful NON narcissistic man. My advice is if you are in a relationship with a narcissist...RUN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO THE NEAREST EXIT!! It is not fair to you or your children(if you have them..I don't THANKFULLY)...... You deserve better and he will never be able to give it to you....remember it is MENTAL defect that no one has found a cure for!!

    Dr. C.

  • Comment Link Brenda Schafer Wednesday, 10 July 2013 03:53 posted by Brenda Schafer

    Was married to a narc for 23 years! We've
    Been divorced 10 years. Split 13 years, he talks
    Like he still ownse! There is not one
    Thing you can do to change them! My
    Dad, was a shycopathic narcissist, ruined
    By the age of 3, I married what I knew!
    My marriage was a big mess, I tried to fight
    Back with humor and sarcasism! Nothing
    Worked, sorry girls'! Run as fast as you
    Can, and as far as you can move away!

  • Comment Link Jdup Monday, 10 June 2013 16:20 posted by Jdup

    To Estelle, I'm trying to understand my own Narcissist husband. I know what it means to have a shoulder surgery had one myself and felt helpless. I wish I could offer you some advice but I think from what I am reading that you need to take care of yourself and don't forget who you are. What everyone else see's is their own perception. Hope this helps, I'm praying for you. J

  • Comment Link Renee Monday, 03 June 2013 01:44 posted by Renee

    I am currently trying to divorce this NARC I accidentally married. The courts was totally on his side. This NARC has a Chicago police officer as a sister whom I also supect to be a narcissist as well. She instructed her brother how he can get a temporary order of protection against me, it was unbelievable. He said I beat him with a shot gun (by the way, I don't even know how to load or shoot one) followed up with a baseball bat. He even gave a location of all of this supposed to have happen to him was inside of the local police department. And he stated that there was no cameras, police officer on site and he needed no medical assistants. All of this took place while I eas on the other side of town getting medical treatment for our daughter by the way no I do not have a twin and no arrest was made. However, he has been in Prison have a violent domestic history towards the children and I. He is 6 feet tall 235 lbs. And I am 5'4" tall and 130 lbs. I have never been in any trouble with the law, but yet he had this female judge eating out of his hands with lie after lie. This judge would not even or considered the lie. I had to quit court because I eas told by this Cook County judge what I bettet do or else and she told him to produce his financial records so he can pay child support and he refused and this judge was ok with his response. It has been two years and not a dime has been paid for support. I watched him tell lies like a free water flow. Even his own attorney asked to withdraw from his case and the judge said no. I could not ask for another judge so I was stuck. I had to firer my lawyer, quit going to court because I had enough. I went into hiding with my girls. I found out he quit going to court so the case was tossed out. He emailed me a few months ago stating how we are best friends and he so sorry and lets work it out. I was sick to my stomach after readong his message. I never responded. I hope that he has found a way to leave us alone and I can divorce him under the radar. The best thing I did for myself and my children was to load my van up with what ever That could fit and walked away from everything including him. We don't have much in materialism but we are full of wealth regarding a peace of mind.

  • Comment Link guest Friday, 26 April 2013 07:19 posted by guest

    Dear SB, Please listen to yourself " he runs to one of his many exes" - "he sleeps with them". Why are you taking him back? Stop now for your sake and your unborn child. Life with a narcissist is so hard and their characteristics exacerbate as life goes on. You're lucky that he leaves. Lock the door and don't let him back in.

  • Comment Link SB Thursday, 25 April 2013 12:56 posted by SB

    I am currently pregnant with the son of what I believe is a narcissist. His therapist diagnosed him as depressed with anxiety disorder, but I believe he is a true narcissist and so does my counselor. He's a liar, manipulator, and will say anything to emotionally pull me back into him. He has caused me so much stress this whole pregnancy with no regard to how it affects me or the baby. He wants everything his way. Everytime we break up he runs to one of his many exes and bad mouths me to them, they feel sorry for him, boost his ego, he sleeps with them and then comes running back to me claiming it was a "mistake" and they can't give him what I can. I feel so stupid for attaching my life to his man, I know he'll spend every waking moment trying to either get what he wants from me and if he cant, trying to make my life miserable.

  • Comment Link Lea Monday, 22 April 2013 04:20 posted by Lea

    I'm in the middle of a child custody case with a Narc (he's never actually been diagnosed but is text book NARC!) My baby is 7mths old and he's asking for full custody. We were never married and so far I have been able to maintain some distance from him for my baby's sake but he does come visit with her, problem is she cries to the point she vomits and I'm scared to death that the court system is going to fail my little girl. If he gets visitation, he won't do what's best for her instead he will keep her force her to stay till the end of visitation (as you know its all about controll for them) and she will be sick as can be by the time he returns her. I have gut wrenching thoughts of things that could happen to her while she's with him... I have had moments where I think if we go to counselling we may can work things out and have discussed in the past of trying to work things out. BAD mistake here, he jumps pounces with both feet and leaves me with my jaw dropped going WTH? Seriously! .. I get to thinking this way I believe on the means if I'm there I can protect my daughter. But at the same time I would be doing her wrong because neither of us would have a safe haven to retreat to. I agree he's never going to change.. Any advice or suggestions on how to get through this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

  • Comment Link Guest Tuesday, 09 April 2013 19:01 posted by Guest

    LG - i am in exactly the same place as you are right now (narcissistic MIL and all). Please let me know how it goes as i am just in the beginning of the throes of this painful divorce.

  • Comment Link Guest Saturday, 23 March 2013 15:38 posted by Guest

    Wow what an eye opener, this is exactly what my soon to be Ex-husband & mother in law are. May God help them!!!! I am not, nor was I losing my mind in my 23 year relationship dealing with these people. I finally found the strength 4 months ago to end the Horror movie & am desperately trying to protect my children from these MONSTERS!!! They are 8 & 5 years old. Not easy at all since they are now using the legal system to bully me, attempt to paint themselves as the Victims instead of the MONSTERS they actually are to the Court system!!! I just HOPE & PRAY it gets easier for me to Heal & stop wasting my energy on How he could actually do what he is doing, now that I know it is really a MENTAL DISORDER!!!

  • Comment Link Guest Friday, 15 March 2013 22:35 posted by Guest

    NO! Narcissists cannot see beyond themselves - it is literally all about them and it is a behavior that is instilled or adopted early on. If anything, I think it gets worse as time passes. What you have to remember is that narcissists lack the one thing that is needed for them to change: empathy. They cannot understand why other people feel hurt or unloved or devalued because they don't know how to feel those things themselves, they learned how to switch those emotions off in childhood. I can only imagine it would be like us trying to change our sense of humor or what we enjoy reading or eating. For many of us, it took years to figure out what was going on in our marriages, but the moment you do you learn to spot it immediately. But try explaining why you're hurt to a narc and they will tell you they never did or said the thing you are accusing them of. Once again, you're the crazy one who is "attacking" the good guy who does no wrong... I see now how my ex never stopped needing his parents' approval, the same parents who created this monster in the first place.

  • Comment Link Guest Friday, 15 March 2013 22:33 posted by Guest

    I am in the process of divorcing a narcissist - I tried everything to avoid getting to this point. He promised so many things. He hasn't changed. I don't think he ever will. I can't say that is true of all narcissists but I think it is true of almost all. I am sorry for you. We are divorcing him because living with him was destroying me, and making me physically ill. I am glad that I know I did everything I could to save the marriage because I never doubt I had to do it. The process of divorce is very long and very hard. If you are going to do it, prepare. You need money for lawyers, you need to detach as much as possible (mine lies all the time, and distorts my sense of reality), and family & friends who will love and support you. Attacks come in many forms and at any time. I only know I can get through the next year because I have got through the last. Very good luck.

  • Comment Link Guest Friday, 15 March 2013 22:25 posted by Guest

    Don't waste your time or energy trying to figure out a way to get him to see sense. The effort is futile, and will only drive you crazier!! These guys stick around as long as it feeds their ego and family life fits their fantasy scenario of how life "should be". Even as they crap all over your relationship and the family you have created together, they are gathering allies at work and among friends who will rally 'round to reinforce their distorted vision of you and the kids as bad guys. So life happens, you get older, and as the kids grow they assert themselves in positive or negative ways that must be dealt with. While you are dealing with all this by yourself, he is out the door. Gone. BOO-HOO says he, and plenty of people listen, welcome him with open arms, and offer sympathy, just as you may have done in the beginning (hates his mom, neglected, misused by his family, abandoned by his father, etc.). You are already alone in your marriage. You can continue to adapt and adjust and hope to make it better, further diminishing yourself. Your kids will not thank you for it. And in the end he will find a reason to dump you anyway. Let him cope with his own craziness, supported by his new groupies. As my wise therapist once said, take the energy you are putting into the relationship and put it into yourself. It is the first step on a long journey. I am 10 years out of the relationship and still coping with the fall-out. Move on, forgive yourself for wasting so much of your life, not to mention the damage done to your children that can be mitigated but never erased.

  • Comment Link Guest Friday, 15 March 2013 22:23 posted by Guest

    I was married to a Narcissist for 12 years. I am now free. He was having an affair with someone 23 years younger than myself. We are divorced, he is remarried to her one year after the divorce and now having a baby. He still tries to call me to tell me I can't be replaced etc. etc. He is now treating her the way he treated me. So I am very thankful to be rid of him! I feel as if I am a butterfly set free! I was in prison, I was reprieved and now this young woman has taken over my life sentence!